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      I think I’d go to China if I could. I feel like the US is gonna fuck over it’s allies first.

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      I’m worried that if there’s war you guys will be affected as well. Running further seems more reasonable.

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    Don’t think you white folk don’t realise Europe has no real power anymore and shifting to facism. America has military hegemony, but not science or manufacturing, and again falling to facism and corporations.

    Real power is moving to where stuff is getting made and leaving thode with bullshit over inflation like Tesla, or many other stocks. The current center of economic power has moved closer and closer to where it was 500 years ago.

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      So many Euro simps on Lemmy. It’s like a circle jerk for Europe on here for some reason. Which is kinda proving your own point around the growing fascism (Nationalism) in Europe. This time it seems to be Fascism fueled by a “European” identity alongside a “German or Italian” identity. Though state nationalism is growing it seems to be growing along with EU nationalism.

      It’s very much fueled by anti immigrant (primarily anti Arab) sentiment. The most obvious of which is Germany. A country that has a national identity built around guilt for the Holocaust but at the same time pretending that they have some unobtainable (by others) perspective on Antisemitism. Which ironically is fueling modern day Antisemitism against Arabs in Germany.

      Germany is literally repeating it’s antisemitic past by blindly supporting Israel and blaming Arab immigrants for all its problems. Literally supporting a Jewish Supremacists Ethnostate that models much of Nazi Germany in it’s oppression of Palestine.

      Germany is just an example. But a lot of Europe (Poland being another strong example) is absolutely diving head first into the fascist pool. I don’t see how anyone paying attention could disagree with much of what you said.

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      The EU has the second biggest economy in the world and contains 3 of the G7 nations (4 if you include the UK, which will almost certainly pivot back to EU membership in the next few years). All member states are part of NATO and France, Germany and the UK possess a significant nuclear arsenal.

      But yeh, no real power.

      PS 500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.

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        500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.

        Ps, you’re so confidently wrong. 1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6

        Here’s a nice graphic to make it easy for your Eurocentric mind to comprehend

        second biggest economy

        Bud how put of date your knowledge is? You from the 90s? Name the top 5 in order of GDP? Go ahead. Please. I know you’re speaking of Germany but please try and back it up it in 2025 that they are the second biggest economy lmao

        Also is Europe getting richer, is American or European manufacturing improving? No, it’s going towards china, towards India, towards Africa. Europe became rich because of hundreds of years of exploitation and another 100 years of soft power to ensure cheap resources than be taken to Europe/America, produce high quality and sent back. Problem is, the world is now able to do a lot of it itself and Asia can make everything it needs and give to all other Asian and African Nations.

        Military threat, yeah, 100% that’s all Europe has, that’s how you become rich was bombing and exploiting others. But the suprise factor is gone, nobody trusts you guys, look at the trade map, you think you’re gonna challenge this?

        https://howmuch.net/articles/trade-timelapse-usa-china

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          I know you’re speaking of Germany

          Nope, they very clearly said The EU and not Germany, which is accurate. The EU is behind the US and in front of China in GDP, firm second place.

          What’s up with .ml users being shit with reading comprehension?

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        Here in Germany, we will have a conservative government at best and a fascist one at worst. AFD is at 20% at national levels, and locally they are winning in the East, which I, naive and wrongly motivated as I was, moved to from merry Bavaria.

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      I’d say we are in an odd position. I don’t know when you last attended a PhD ceremony, but in engineering, over half were foreigners. The US already had a brain drain, by not producing top notch scientists and engineers. This is only exacerbating the issue.

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    I hope this is true, with the attacks on science in the US, we’re really looking at falling backward here. I’m afraid we’ll lose good weather forecasting and GPS services very soon, to just name the low hanging fruit.

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    They skipped the part where after the war we took the nazi scientists too…

    But the old nazis were really into science, modern nazis not so much.

    I don’t think other countries are going to be chasing our science deniers like we chased rocket and medical scientists after the war.

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      You don’t think Europe wants our 19 year old whiz kids whose laptops overheat from processing excel files?

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        I think the big disconnect with that is government laptops…

        If someone told me their government laptop caught fire when they joined a Teams call where two people had a camera on. I’d believe them.

        But no government employee will tell you a story like that, because it is completely unremarkable and expected. It’s like a Park Ranger of 15 years losing his shit when he saw a squirrel…

        If you’re used to using a gaming laptop to edit text files and suddenly you have to use a shitty $300 government issue laptop, it’s going to shock you.

        But the solution to that is funding the government. I’m not a big Obama guy, but at least he gave agencies money for laptops. trump and Biden love cutting corners though, which just translates to paying people to watch a screen scroll by slower because of a slow laptop.

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          My CPU was mid range when I bought it five years ago and I use it process a 300gb+ database of price history. My day job is working jupyter notebooks hosted on raspberry pis. Not being able to process a 60000 row database is definitely a skill issue. Bad hardware should encourage good software.

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            Don’t get me wrong, they’re idiots.

            But people are drastically underestimating how shitty government laptops are.

            But what do I know? What’s decades of direct experience when someone online has a Jupiter laptop?!

            Clearly you know more than anyone who actually deals with it

            Speaking of, it’s my mom’s b’day coming up, you clearly know more than me so what would a thoughtful and bespoke gift be?

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              Get her a Thinkpad with 64 GB of ram and a server-class CPU that blasts enough heat to make the laptop hover. That’s what I had the last time I worked on a project for the government. Company took it back though 😞

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              Idk. If it’s your mum that you take after, you can get her nothing and let her make the excuses for your failure.

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              The issue with your comments are not how bad government laptops are.

              The issue seems to be you don’t understand how little work processing even a million rows is.

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                Yeah. Who needs decades of experience when people on the internet know better?

                Not like it’s ironic people people are doing the same thing Elon is or anything…

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                  Mate, I’ve worked with government computers. A dacade old, take a half hour to boot up, a lag time of a few minutes to open files. The problem with what Elon’s “expert” said is that 1. 60k rows of data is nothing, even for a computer like that. It wouldn’t fail on that much data, even on decade-old computers. And 2. If something were to fail on that computer, it wouldn’t be that the hard drive overheated. Even if the hard drive got hot, it would just slow things down, not prevent data access or stop a query.

                  My personal guess is this: The kid started a query on a table of a few million records. Not a lot, but enough to make a very poorly optimized query take a decent bit of ttime to run on trash hardware. Most databases put timeouts on connections as to not let a runaway query run forever. I’m guessing that after like, 20 minutes or so (pretty high for a cutoff, but if they are expecting garbage computers to be running these queries it could make sense) it times out, returning the partial result of the query. “Expert” thinks that his laptop overheated because the laptop is in fact hot.

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              Flowers, her favorite unless her favorite is roses then go for something nice and in season. If you have the time bake her homemade cookies as well.

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      I don’t think other countries are going to be chasing our science deniers like we chased rocket and medical scientists after the war.

      Well…hopefully they’ll get chased. Just not for the same reasons.

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    1945-1959: Same as 1930s but the scientist guy is also a Nazi (and Hitler has a bullet hole lmao)

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      That woman on the bull is Europa (Ancient Greek Εὐρώπη, Eurṓpē), daughter of the Phoenician king Agenor, lived about 2000 BCE. The bull is the shapeshifted Zeus that is kidnapping Europa. They had sex and sired Minos, king of Crete. Minos is the one who feed the Minotaur by sending children into its labyrinth.

      Yeah Greek mythology is weird.

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        O Gabriel, now dawns thy reckoning, and thy gore shall GLISTEN before the temples of Man!

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        The bull that fathered the Minotaur was not Zeus, it was a gift by Poseidon who expected king Minos to sacrifice the bull to Poseidon. The king kept the gift and sacrificed another bull, Poseidon got pissed and had the king’s wife screw the bull, giving birth to the Minotaur.

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        You know, I watched that show Netflix canceled, with Jeff Goldblum, and so I’m like, hey, that’s right! Sure, could’ve paid attention in school, but better Nate than lever.

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            For anyone who can’t wait for the ending:
            It was his sled from when he was a kid. There, I just saved you two long, boobless hours

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            Thanks, for some reason I was thinking Cronos, I dunno.

            And yeah, I remember reading that joke what feels like 20 years ago at this point, someone put it in the ebaums forums, took like 20 separate posts because of char limits, and I couldn’t stop telling the joke to people after that, it’s just too perfect.

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            it’s in the terms of service agreement; you agree that they can use telemetry to determine what you like and whenever they detect that you like a show they will cancel it immediately.

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              Not cancelled by christian fundamentalist who complained that no one should recognise any other god but theirs?

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            lol a minute ago I wasn’t even aware of this show and now I’m annoyed it’s been cancelled. sounds like jist the thing for me

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        Wait, I thought the minotaur was the son of the king of Minos’ wife? Did gods do double-damage on his bloodline?

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          I bet they did more than that.

          The whole god/demigod/etc. ancestry is totally fucked up. Zeus copulated with every woman he could find, even his sisters!

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          You are correct, the bull that sired the Minotaur was not Zeus, and Europe was not the mother. That’s a different bull-queen pair.

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        Thanks! I just googled it and it mentioned “Europa and the bull” representing unity and peace.

        We could definitely use some of that, but unfortunately we just get a bunch of what the bull leaves behind instead… :/

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      Why do you think so? I know post docs basically only looking for jobs outside of the US, and several friends who got funding for grad or summer students cancelled, and know if one case getting pressure to change titles of dissertation to better align with the administration stance.

      Science is getting hit hard here, the damage is done, and this could take decades to recover from. And that’s assuming things are able to shift back to where things were.

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        You’re not going to get an answer, at least not one based on logical tangible reality. If there was one it would have been addended to the comment to support the accusation to actually try and make a convincing argument in good faith. This is not that. The assumption is that you will know exactly what they’re talking about and upvote blindly in solidarity, sort of like a dog whistle, signaling to those who also listen to same right wing propaganda.

        I know this exact same kind of comment by instinct because many years ago I too left those kinds of comments when I was an insufferable alt right assclown, and you will see it everywhere on any subject in any place where right wingers start showing up - the YouTube comment sections of certain channels, certain subreddits, all over Facebook, or god forbid you have ever bore witness to one of the most deplorable dregs of the internet: news article comment sections, when they were still a thing.

        I actually wrote most of this out before looking at the profile because I was so confident, and after doing so for due diligence, I can confirm my suspicions. And if you unfortunately are forced to spend any time around right wingers, this kind of thing is common in their daily conversation. I shit you not I once heard someone blame an intermittent power outage on “the globalists”, and the others nodded their head in solidarity of outrage with zero evidence. It was a connection issue from the complex to the power lines, a transformer that needed to be replaced, as clarified by the utility company an hour later.

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      I’m super curious why you put scientists in quotes. I literally can’t figure out what that’s supposed to imply.

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      And by privilege you mean access to basic freedom and the pursuit of knowledge.

      Most scientists are underpaid and overworked.

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        And demonized. No country hates scientists more than America. The average American cherry picks their science and treat science that goes against their preconceived notions as conspiracies, but jump at the chance to defend their favorite corporations like you attacked family. It’s disgusting.